Comments on: Gringo Monologues: Conspiracy Theories in the Valley of Longevity http://uncorneredmarket.com/gringo-monologues-conspiracy-theories-in-the-valley-of-longevity/ travel wide, live deep Wed, 01 Jul 2015 04:43:19 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jhttp://uncorneredmarket.com/gringo-monologues-conspiracy-theories-in-the-valley-of-longevity/#comment-1462147 Thu, 12 Mar 2015 23:43:12 +0000 http://www.uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3421#comment-1462147 yes and its very interesting to see that so many people can have such a polar opposite experience in such a little town.
Its clear to me I get what I expect every time I go to town for those darn eggs 😉

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By: Daniel Nollhttp://uncorneredmarket.com/gringo-monologues-conspiracy-theories-in-the-valley-of-longevity/#comment-1462145 Thu, 12 Mar 2015 23:33:06 +0000 http://www.uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3421#comment-1462145 J: Thank you for a remarkable and enlightening comment. Your observation about the 2012 inflection point probably explains a lot of what we’d seen in Vilcabamba, and elsewhere in Central and South American enclaves of escapist expatriates. And your observation regarding the occasional judgment and self-righteousness of those who consider themselves on their spiritual path is spot on. And it’s true that all the cultural evolution that you speak of and that we see in our travels is a process.

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By: Jhttp://uncorneredmarket.com/gringo-monologues-conspiracy-theories-in-the-valley-of-longevity/#comment-1462123 Thu, 12 Mar 2015 18:00:58 +0000 http://www.uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3421#comment-1462123 I live in vilcabamba. most people here are having a somewhat spiritual orientation. with that are various levels of awakening to whats happening within and outside of you. the focus on conspiracies and “us against them” is part of that initial awakening. and preaching it to others too. its by far not the end, its the beginning. at one point even that will drop. but its a process like everything else. you see this focus on conspiracies and “alternative” world views everywhere there is a larger group of people gathered with these spiritual impulses going through them towards waking up to reality. before 2012 vilcabamba was harboring a lot of people that moved here because of fear based decisions. doomsday etc. This has kind of faded away now after the 2012 didn’t happen. I see more people coming here now just for the nature and chill spiritual energies. this is not a place to live for most people. its too quiet. and too intimate. everybody knows everybody. and your shit starts coming up as you cant hide here as you can in big cities. good luck buying some eggs without having to deal with tons of questions and entanglements. many cannot handle this. its confronting. plus the valley itself is intense and high frequency. so with nothing to distract you its few who would even consider living here. but as with everywhere else in the world we got low energy people. ignorance. Ego tripping etc. full on. Just because your on a spiritual path does not mean your a better person than those who are not. most often its opposite actually. your stuff comes up and your are less nice. its how things work when cleaning out your stuff. this town is going to reflect your own inner reality. this is why some leave after 3 days with lots of negative experiences. others wish to stay forever. but I haven met many who say its a walk in the park being here. this place is NOT a safe heaven in case of WW3 or something. Gringos will be the first on the list to be chopped down with machetes if something went wrong globally. your better off amongst same nationality. you can learn the language. live like Ecuadorians. but true integration is a illusion. you will always be a gringo.
I have accepted this and love it here. its a very very beautiful place. out of time.

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By: Daniel Nollhttp://uncorneredmarket.com/gringo-monologues-conspiracy-theories-in-the-valley-of-longevity/#comment-1461927 Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:03:59 +0000 http://www.uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3421#comment-1461927 Astute observation, rohbear. That squares with our experience in general, and in particular in escapist communities such as the one profiled here. To your point, the thing that needs escaping is almost always inside the escapee.

Thanks for the constructive criticism. We met and “interviewed” others, but they didn’t seem keen on having anything about them published. So if I seem cagey, that’s why. For example, the “fascism of the pelvis” reference came by way of another expatriate we’d spoken to in town. I think we spoke to (or were spoken to by) about a half dozen people, but figured a single voice might better communicate both the circumstances and their irony.

Enjoy your travels and your experience in Ecuador and Vilcabamba.

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By: rohbearhttp://uncorneredmarket.com/gringo-monologues-conspiracy-theories-in-the-valley-of-longevity/#comment-1461915 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 03:47:43 +0000 http://www.uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3421#comment-1461915 The quote at the begining of the article says it all, referencing escape and escapism. In my experience with ex-pats in Thailand (not all of the American), most seemed to be escaping from something back home. And all too often, it was something inside them.

Anyway, while I enjoyed the article, I want to criticise it for relying on just one source “Pat X”. It would have been a much stronger article had there been more than one person interviewed.

We will visit Ecuador in March, and are considering Vilcabamba as one of many stops. As they say, there’s no substitute for direct experience!

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By: Codyhttp://uncorneredmarket.com/gringo-monologues-conspiracy-theories-in-the-valley-of-longevity/#comment-1007161 Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:34:13 +0000 http://www.uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3421#comment-1007161 Yeah come on I mean we have to be the only intelligent life out of billions and billions of solar systems that our highly intelligent population does not have technology to explore.

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By: Vilcabamba: Paradise Going Bad? | Off the Roadhttp://uncorneredmarket.com/gringo-monologues-conspiracy-theories-in-the-valley-of-longevity/#comment-615929 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:26:52 +0000 http://www.uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3421#comment-615929 […] immigrants. In particular, he said, conspiracy theories and UFO reports saturate local gossip. This interview by Uncornered Market of a resident Vilcabamban reads almost like a transcript of our […]

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By: Daniel Nollhttp://uncorneredmarket.com/gringo-monologues-conspiracy-theories-in-the-valley-of-longevity/#comment-467835 Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:54:01 +0000 http://www.uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3421#comment-467835 @10hawks: Thanks for the information. For this post, we just shared what we heard, in the way of various theories, on the ground in Vilcabamba.

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By: 10hawkshttp://uncorneredmarket.com/gringo-monologues-conspiracy-theories-in-the-valley-of-longevity/#comment-461485 Sun, 09 Sep 2012 04:11:46 +0000 http://www.uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3421#comment-461485 This is cute, but actually the spraying of toxins is real and is called Operation Cloverleaf. It is primarily a CIA/Pentagon-run program, begun in the late
90s, funded by the banking Cartel. I don’t believe the WHO or UN is involved on any pragmatic level.

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By: Daniel Nollhttp://uncorneredmarket.com/gringo-monologues-conspiracy-theories-in-the-valley-of-longevity/#comment-421681 Tue, 29 May 2012 06:44:41 +0000 http://www.uncorneredmarket.com/?p=3421#comment-421681 @Jennifer: That is fabulously rich, and a sidesplittingly funny description to boot. Sounds like you have the making of a skit. Actually, I sort of always thought Vilcabamba would be ripe for shooting a movie, on location. Reality TV, even. Reality Vilcabamba TV.

OK, now I’m getting ahead of myself.

Thank you for your comment, reaffirming what we thought we saw and heard and for giving us a good laugh!

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